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there is growing turmoil in tunisia. thousands of people rally on the streets of the capital in a show of support for the government. the prime minister has threatened to resign as a technical ticket government is not formed. -- if a technocratic government is not formed. >> the country, up to now, has been proud of its unity. a rally in support of the government, but against the other parties that make up the coalition. it is illustrating the growing divide between religious and secular. >> united nations secretary- general has condemned a deadly attack on a dissident camp in iraq. least five people were killed and dozens were injured when more than 30 rockets struck the. -- camp. the exiles were once backed by saddam hussein but are out of favor with the current government. growing outrage over the gang rape of a 17-year-old girl who was mutilated and left to die in the western cape. she died in hospital after the attack in her hometown. dozens of protesters have been injured in kashmir, and parts of pakistan during a
there is growing turmoil in tunisia. thousands of people rally on the streets of the capital in a show of support for the government. the prime minister has threatened to resign as a technical ticket government is not formed. -- if a technocratic government is not formed. >> the country, up to now, has been proud of its unity. a rally in support of the government, but against the other parties that make up the coalition. it is illustrating the growing divide between religious and secular....
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something like this just doesn't happen in tunisia. and it has precipitated a major crise for tunisia and its international backers. >> warner: borzou deragahi of the "financial times" thank you very much. >> it's been a pleasure. >> ifill: next, we return to the conflict in syria and the unfolding refugee crisis there. the "newshour" recently sent freelance video journalist paige kollock to neighboring lebanon to see how the newly displaced are dealing with winter, inadequate supplies and discrimination. ray suarez narrates our story. ( explosions ) >> reporter: 22 months in and showing no signs of abating the fight for the future of syria drags on. ( explosions ) both sides continue to wage all- out war with more than 60,000 dead and the plight of syria's displaced and dispossessed only grows worse. at this tent camp in al-marj, in the eastern part of lebanon's bekaa valley, only 25 miles from the syrian border, refugees are struggling to adapt to a new, impermanent reality and to winter temperatures that routinely drop below freezin
something like this just doesn't happen in tunisia. and it has precipitated a major crise for tunisia and its international backers. >> warner: borzou deragahi of the "financial times" thank you very much. >> it's been a pleasure. >> ifill: next, we return to the conflict in syria and the unfolding refugee crisis there. the "newshour" recently sent freelance video journalist paige kollock to neighboring lebanon to see how the newly displaced are dealing...
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in tunisia, new protests broke out in the capital, demanding the end of the government. it was the second day of unrest sparked by the killing of a leading opposition figure. we have a report narrated by jonathan rugman of "independent television news." >> reporter: in tunis today, crowds converged on the interior ministry on the same spot where the so-called arab spring began two years ago. "the people want the downfall of the regime" the chant once again. but this time the tear gas came from police loyal not to a dictator but to tunisia's democratically elected government, one which now stands accuse of complicity in political assassination. the victim was chokri belaid, shot outside his home yesterday by a gunman on a motorbike. belaid had appeared on television the night before he died. the s.e.c. tar politician told his interview that tunisia's governing islamist party harbored religious factions which incited violence. his killing prompted the biggest explosion of anger since the revolution itself. groups claiming that revolution had been stolen by islamists who wo
in tunisia, new protests broke out in the capital, demanding the end of the government. it was the second day of unrest sparked by the killing of a leading opposition figure. we have a report narrated by jonathan rugman of "independent television news." >> reporter: in tunis today, crowds converged on the interior ministry on the same spot where the so-called arab spring began two years ago. "the people want the downfall of the regime" the chant once again. but this...
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>> i didn't say that. >> how about leaning on tunisia. >> that's the law of tun neisit. we can't go in there and take him out when he is following the laws of the country he is in. i don't think we have enough soldiers to take over tunisia. >> we are not saying take over but you can exert pressure to turn him over. >> i am sure they have done that. >> go to leon pin nanetta's testimony. obama wasn't in the room panetta made one phone call he wasn't sure how long it lasted. >> there is more holes in the benghazi cover up story than a block of swiss cheese. >> hoping for something better. >> i am working on it. i am working on it. on the benghazi piece we were led to believe they were on top of it it's 5:00 in the afternoon they are having a meeting with the national security team at 5:00 p.m. they were on top of it all night long. then you got the testimony no never got a call. no matter who is in office the congressional branch that is what they are supposed to do to help us figure that out. i would say i think america is a lot safer today than afz september 10th, 2001,
>> i didn't say that. >> how about leaning on tunisia. >> that's the law of tun neisit. we can't go in there and take him out when he is following the laws of the country he is in. i don't think we have enough soldiers to take over tunisia. >> we are not saying take over but you can exert pressure to turn him over. >> i am sure they have done that. >> go to leon pin nanetta's testimony. obama wasn't in the room panetta made one phone call he wasn't sure how...
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something like this just doesn't happen in tunisia. and it has precipitated a major crise for tunisia and its international backers. >> warner: borzou deragahi of the "financial times" thank you very much. >> it's been a pleasure. >> ifill: next, we return to the conflict in syria and the unfolding refugee crisis there. the "newshour" recently sent freelance video journalist paige kollock to neighboring lebanon to see how the newly displaced are dealing with winter, inadequate supplies and discrimination. ray suarez narrates our story. ( explosions ) >> reporter: 22 months in and showing no signs of abating the fight for the future of syria drags on. ( explosions ) both sides continue to wage all- out war with more than 60,000 dead and the plight of syria's displaced and dispossessed only grows worse. at this tent camp in al-marj, in the eastern part of lebanon's bekaa valley, only 25 miles from the syrian border, refugees are struggling to adapt to a new, impermanent reality and to winter temperatures that routinely drop below freezin
something like this just doesn't happen in tunisia. and it has precipitated a major crise for tunisia and its international backers. >> warner: borzou deragahi of the "financial times" thank you very much. >> it's been a pleasure. >> ifill: next, we return to the conflict in syria and the unfolding refugee crisis there. the "newshour" recently sent freelance video journalist paige kollock to neighboring lebanon to see how the newly displaced are dealing...
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although the tunisia prime minister denies it. he promised a full investigation and to catch those responsible for the murder. alisyn: do we have answer wlormt this assassination will spark more violence? >> reporter: we've already seen three days of violence and protest in tunisia and clashes with the police. and their main demand of the protesters, that the conservative islamic government steps down in tunisia. in tunisia we've seen muslim clerics call for opposition leaders to be killed. is far it hasn't happened in egypt yet but the egyptian government is promising more police and support and protection for opposition figures. given the problems in the country it is very possible we could see some type of attack on opposition leaders and both of these countries are coming out of a difficult political transition that have often been more violent than democratic. alisyn. alisyn: a real tinderbox there of tension. conor powell, thanks for the update. rick: coming up after the break, a troubling sign as the president prepares to d
although the tunisia prime minister denies it. he promised a full investigation and to catch those responsible for the murder. alisyn: do we have answer wlormt this assassination will spark more violence? >> reporter: we've already seen three days of violence and protest in tunisia and clashes with the police. and their main demand of the protesters, that the conservative islamic government steps down in tunisia. in tunisia we've seen muslim clerics call for opposition leaders to be...
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tunisia is the problem where it could become more than just a transit route as tunisia is currently fighting alongside islamists, and in mali, they return home. there's that concern. tunisia is concerned about french presence in mali. members, especially parliamentarians, they are concerned that the war in mali might become a potent recruitment for disgruntled tunisians, and fear a backlash. so far cross border links have been tenuous too far, based more on greed and criminality than ideology, but that could change. the future of tunisia and in morocco and elsewhere is that jihadigan steers, militants, and forces are destabilizing countries that are transitioning from a carrying route and have weak security institutions. tunisia authorities today are struggling to reform their dysfunctional security services. they are struggling to develop the capacity to police to counter the threats. even countries with strong security forces, there's dangerous there. morocco, for example, has been on high alert since the french intervention. we know several joined armed groups in mali, about 70 of them th
tunisia is the problem where it could become more than just a transit route as tunisia is currently fighting alongside islamists, and in mali, they return home. there's that concern. tunisia is concerned about french presence in mali. members, especially parliamentarians, they are concerned that the war in mali might become a potent recruitment for disgruntled tunisians, and fear a backlash. so far cross border links have been tenuous too far, based more on greed and criminality than ideology,...
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these are the biggest and loudest protests in tunisia since the revolution there two years ago. the one that sparked the whole arab spring. a vocal critic of the government was shot dead outside his home yesterday. that infuriated people who say he was assassinated. it was political. they were already unhappy with tunisia's political situation since the arab spring the new islamist led government is keeping down individual freedoms. the people are not happy. tunisia's prime minister fired his cabinet and called for new elections hoping to calm tensions, then his deputy said the party wasn't unified on that. and it might not happen. we are watching developments. >>> let's gets back to our top story. a shooter on the loose in los angeles. the suspect a former cop is identified as christopher dorner. he was fired from the police force five years ago. and he might now be seeking revenge. dorner accused of shooting three los angeles police officers early this morning. one of them fatally, plus he's the prime suspect in a double killing over the weekend. we are covering all angles of
these are the biggest and loudest protests in tunisia since the revolution there two years ago. the one that sparked the whole arab spring. a vocal critic of the government was shot dead outside his home yesterday. that infuriated people who say he was assassinated. it was political. they were already unhappy with tunisia's political situation since the arab spring the new islamist led government is keeping down individual freedoms. the people are not happy. tunisia's prime minister fired his...
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and must be resolved before i can support the muslim brothers we've seen the recent rise in egypt and tunisia but so far they haven't proven to be a good solution in either of those two countries the power grab has also turned off some longtime brotherhood supporters like this patient who is recovering in the islamic hospital. the muslim brotherhood the street from its traditional role in helping communities now it's too focused on getting. despite such sentiments and fears about its true intentions the brotherhood still remains the only organized political opposition in town for now the group will have to bide its time helping perhaps that regional instability could tip the balance in their favor they think. if their evolution. we have. it's a game of political chess and chance for now the students could only wonder whether their futures will be shaped by the islamists or by their own hands you see coughing up r t amman jordan. now or don't forget to check out our new look website if you get a minute and these are some of the stories that will be waiting for you there at r.t. dot com hatred
and must be resolved before i can support the muslim brothers we've seen the recent rise in egypt and tunisia but so far they haven't proven to be a good solution in either of those two countries the power grab has also turned off some longtime brotherhood supporters like this patient who is recovering in the islamic hospital. the muslim brotherhood the street from its traditional role in helping communities now it's too focused on getting. despite such sentiments and fears about its true...
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impressions that you have for the first fighter i ever caught was in one thousand year old boy from tunisia and the only reason he went to afghanistan was because he had nothing else to do he had no skills and no way of making a living and he wanted to get married so the local in mom said if you want to make some money you know what you should do you should go to afghanistan and make jihad against the americans if you do that i know somebody who will pay your family five hundred dollars and you can use that for a dowry and you can you can get a wife. so this kid had nothing against the united states he had never even really thought about the united states so from your experience you saw no ideology i saw very little you see ideology and some of the older fighters some of the leaders the camp commanders for example sure there's ideology there but in my short time in pakistan i captured fifty two al-qaeda fighters i can count on one hand the number of people who were real ideologues who really were there for jihad who were really there to kill americans three out of fifty two the perception o
impressions that you have for the first fighter i ever caught was in one thousand year old boy from tunisia and the only reason he went to afghanistan was because he had nothing else to do he had no skills and no way of making a living and he wanted to get married so the local in mom said if you want to make some money you know what you should do you should go to afghanistan and make jihad against the americans if you do that i know somebody who will pay your family five hundred dollars and you...
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what you can know is the spark that would have been a man, a shopkeeper self-taught and leading into tunisia. the best thing you can do is expect it might ignite at any time and to get ahead of it. so to get our friends in the middle east to reform before the people were in the streets was always trying to get ahead of what happened ultimately and egypt a and tunisia and other places to respect talk about the collapse of the soviet union in terms of what the scholars knew. you were right there. >> i was. we used to laugh when people would say that gorbachev is bound to fall from power. thank you. but when, this was the issue because, the general sense that things are going bad is not enough. people knew that the infrastructure, the political, economic, social soviet union was weak. i went to the soviet union the first time in 1979 to study language. i was there for an extended period of time and i was a student of the soviet military. i remember thinking i had this image of the soviet military as 10 feet tall. and i remember going into a store to buy some little thing for my family, and they
what you can know is the spark that would have been a man, a shopkeeper self-taught and leading into tunisia. the best thing you can do is expect it might ignite at any time and to get ahead of it. so to get our friends in the middle east to reform before the people were in the streets was always trying to get ahead of what happened ultimately and egypt a and tunisia and other places to respect talk about the collapse of the soviet union in terms of what the scholars knew. you were right there....
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they say 22-year-old tunisia howard was inside the vehicle when shots were fired. howard is the girlfriend of harris. he's still at large. >>> a wicked combination of strong winds and up to 20 inches of snow knocked out power to thousands of homes and businesses. in many areas work crews scrambling to restore power. they had to be accompanied by road plows. for millions of people the impassable roads left them stranded at home and at work. air travel halted in much of the midsection. in chicago alone more than 1,000 flights were canceled yesterday. hundreds more likely today. >>> an australian billionaire has unveiled plans for a full-scale replica of the titanic. it's called the tie tangibtanic. it's set to sale in 2016. look at those pictures. yes, you can buy a ticket and you will wear 1912-style clothing. there will be enough lifeboats for everyone thoechlt i'm ashleigh banfield. it takes a lot to get senior lawmakers in the very same room. today we can thank rosa parks for making it happen. just take a look at this live picture as we speak, a dedication ceremo
they say 22-year-old tunisia howard was inside the vehicle when shots were fired. howard is the girlfriend of harris. he's still at large. >>> a wicked combination of strong winds and up to 20 inches of snow knocked out power to thousands of homes and businesses. in many areas work crews scrambling to restore power. they had to be accompanied by road plows. for millions of people the impassable roads left them stranded at home and at work. air travel halted in much of the midsection....
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a popular public figure and critic of tunisia's islamic-led government was according to an eyewitness, shot and killed as he left for work this morning. outraged protesters filled the streets and there were violent clashes with police. tunisia's prime minister condemned the assassination, saying the real target is, in his words, quote, the tunisian revolution as a whole. >>> also in germany, germany's education minister has been stripped of her ph.d in an embarrassing case of plagiarism, if you can even believe it, and she's the second minister in chancellor angela merkel's cabinet to face these allegations. the university awarded the minister the highest honors for her doctoral thesis, which one says has many plagiarized passages. >>> and just days after king richard iii's remains were identified underneath a parking lot in england, a battle is shaping up. which city will get to be his final resting place? lester, where his remains were uncovered, and york are dueling over the rights. a change in fortune for the 15th century king, remembered as a notorious villain, accused of killing
a popular public figure and critic of tunisia's islamic-led government was according to an eyewitness, shot and killed as he left for work this morning. outraged protesters filled the streets and there were violent clashes with police. tunisia's prime minister condemned the assassination, saying the real target is, in his words, quote, the tunisian revolution as a whole. >>> also in germany, germany's education minister has been stripped of her ph.d in an embarrassing case of...
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that must be resolved before i can support the muslim brothers we've seen the recent rise in egypt and tunisia but so far they haven't proven to be a good solution in either of those two countries despite such sentiments and fears about its true intentions the brotherhood still remains the only organized political opposition in town for now the group will have to bide its time helping perhaps that regional instability could tip the balance in their favor it's a game of political chess and chance for now the students could only wonder whether their futures will be shaped by the islamists or by their own hands you see catherine of r t amman jordan. and the worries of jordanians could be fueled by the example of egypt where the muslim brotherhood's grip on power has caused months of violence the next hour here on our report on the allegations of abuse torture used by local police on the government hands out weapons to the lowest ranking officers . this is the weekly on say internet pornography could soon be banned in iceland becoming the first west western nation to do so officials insist the aim
that must be resolved before i can support the muslim brothers we've seen the recent rise in egypt and tunisia but so far they haven't proven to be a good solution in either of those two countries despite such sentiments and fears about its true intentions the brotherhood still remains the only organized political opposition in town for now the group will have to bide its time helping perhaps that regional instability could tip the balance in their favor it's a game of political chess and...
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you have problems in mali, egypt libya, tunisia, all across north africa and -- >> rose: you do indeed. so therefore the idea of taking out in yemen an american citizen who had threatened america was just fine with dick cheney? >> yes. >> rose: by a drone attack. >> yes. he was clearly part of -- >> rose: should there will be checks and balances in terms of that? should there be some way -- >> take him to court? >> rose: i'm asking. >> i think when we hire the president of the united states he gets to live in the big house makes all that money, he's getting paid to make difficult, difficult decisions. >> rose: and this president has been prepared to step up and make those decisions? >> some of them he has. in other ways he is limiting the capacity of future presidents to do it. every time you take down our military capabilities, every time you start laying up carriers instead of refueling them, every time you cut the defense budget with a meat ax, which is what he's doing, every time you do that, you're going to limit the capacity of the president ten, 15 years down the road to take ac
you have problems in mali, egypt libya, tunisia, all across north africa and -- >> rose: you do indeed. so therefore the idea of taking out in yemen an american citizen who had threatened america was just fine with dick cheney? >> yes. >> rose: by a drone attack. >> yes. he was clearly part of -- >> rose: should there will be checks and balances in terms of that? should there be some way -- >> take him to court? >> rose: i'm asking. >> i think...
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spring which is previously been held by his administration a great success especially libya egypt and tunisia those countries of course now still drowning in chaos and violence two years on well. bomber has changed his tune a bit now saying well it's going to be messy those transitions also his tone on syria a bit distant considering a year ago the u.s. was insisting president off to moscow a lot of speculation about intervention was going on now the president saying they will continue to put pressure on the syrian leader another pledge from obama to continue to push for legal and durable policy on counterterrorism no mention here of guantanamo drones or wiretapping and obama mentioned internet freedoms well sort of he flaunted signing an executive order on cyber defense but the order is really seen as a response to congress's refusal to pass the cyber intelligence sharing and protection act or sis but last year in light of serious privacy concerns in other words a loophole is now available for sis to effectively be put into action president obama has started growing threats from cyber attack
spring which is previously been held by his administration a great success especially libya egypt and tunisia those countries of course now still drowning in chaos and violence two years on well. bomber has changed his tune a bit now saying well it's going to be messy those transitions also his tone on syria a bit distant considering a year ago the u.s. was insisting president off to moscow a lot of speculation about intervention was going on now the president saying they will continue to put...
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the fourth option, obviously some kind of chaos that leads to collapse, sparked by something like in tunisia with a young man buried himself to death. saudi's are very passive, but they also, young people at least increasingly question why can't we have mark whacks might as the royal family take more than their share? said it may be as the royal family likes to say, and as many in the u.s. government to leave, that the status quo will hold. they so with bad predictions about trouble with the royal family and they always come through. i personally think it could be different this time, simply because of the external pressure in the region again the status quo and because of the internal information and frustration and lastly because of royal family is in this very difficult transition. but i will close up my metaphor for the society, which i used in the book of a 747 flying with the cockpit full of geriatric, first class full of princes who would be keen and take over the. economy full of restrictive young people. some islamic fundamentalists who want to turn the plane around and go back to t
the fourth option, obviously some kind of chaos that leads to collapse, sparked by something like in tunisia with a young man buried himself to death. saudi's are very passive, but they also, young people at least increasingly question why can't we have mark whacks might as the royal family take more than their share? said it may be as the royal family likes to say, and as many in the u.s. government to leave, that the status quo will hold. they so with bad predictions about trouble with the...
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that must be resolved before i can support the muslim brothers we've seen the recent rise in egypt and tunisia but so far they haven't proven to be a good solution in either of those two countries despite such sentiments and fears about its true intentions the brotherhood still remains the only organized political opposition in town for now the group will have to bide its time helping perhaps that regional instability could tip the balance in their favor it's a game of political chess and chance for now the students could only wonder whether their futures will be shaped by the islamists or by their own hands you see catherine of r t amman jordan germany's vowed to renew stalled talks on turkey joining the e.u. as chancellor angela merkel goes there on an official visit increasingly frustrated over a lack of progress in negotiations with the prime minister calling the delay on forgivable but now well oxen a writer a political analyst and journalist says the current economic situation in the e.u. we have turkish citizens without any desire to enter a bloc. we have to see that european union is n
that must be resolved before i can support the muslim brothers we've seen the recent rise in egypt and tunisia but so far they haven't proven to be a good solution in either of those two countries despite such sentiments and fears about its true intentions the brotherhood still remains the only organized political opposition in town for now the group will have to bide its time helping perhaps that regional instability could tip the balance in their favor it's a game of political chess and...
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they were inspired by what happened in tunisia and egypt and took to the streets and demanded dignity and human rights. >> thank you for being with us, maryam al-khawaja, acting president of the bahrain center for human rights. her father, abdulhadi al- khawaja, also head of the organization, has been jailed since the government's crackdown, and she is replacing nabeel rajat, who was also head of that organization, who is also in prison right now she is in the united states on the second anniversary of the bahrain uprising, after returning to bahrain for two weeks, for the first time since she is living in self-imposed exile in copenhagen for two years. when we come back, we go to congo to speak with eve ensler, founder of v day and "1 billion rising." ♪ [music break] >> on this valentine's day, this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. >> people around the world are rising up today taking to the streets to dance, their actions are part of a global movement to end rape and sexual violence called 1 billion rising. it was
they were inspired by what happened in tunisia and egypt and took to the streets and demanded dignity and human rights. >> thank you for being with us, maryam al-khawaja, acting president of the bahrain center for human rights. her father, abdulhadi al- khawaja, also head of the organization, has been jailed since the government's crackdown, and she is replacing nabeel rajat, who was also head of that organization, who is also in prison right now she is in the united states on the second...
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we also discussed the responsibility to support fragile democracies across the world from libya, tunisia, and beyond. it is in our mutual interest. i want to thank the president for the important leadership. showing the support for libya. i think he and the people of the united kingdom can be proud. william and i agreed that the syrian people deserve better than the horrific violence that threatens the everyday lives of innocent people, people wanting their government to be accountable and part of their own lives. the regime has rained down rockets, and that is just the latest example of brutality. we condemn this indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians and we condemn it in the strongest terms. it is just further evidence assad has to go. i think william for the effort to help dial up the pressure on the regime, for their contributions of humanitarian aid and hosting the transition conference last month. let me make clear that we will continue to work closely with british allies to address the growing humanitarian crisis and the support of the syrian opposition council. we are coord
we also discussed the responsibility to support fragile democracies across the world from libya, tunisia, and beyond. it is in our mutual interest. i want to thank the president for the important leadership. showing the support for libya. i think he and the people of the united kingdom can be proud. william and i agreed that the syrian people deserve better than the horrific violence that threatens the everyday lives of innocent people, people wanting their government to be accountable and part...
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respond in detail to what i perceive as a difficult, the evolving situation in north africa, now with tunisia, with libya, with all these countries, and certainly with mali, and how you plan to direct the agency to deal with this devolving momentum that is taking place in northern africa. so that will be for tuesday, and at the request of senator levin, i ask unanimous consent to add into the record a joint statement that he and i may, on april 27, 2012, and, secondly, in order to have mr. brennan's answers to questions for the record by the time he returns before us in closed session, i ask members to the right questions for the record by 5:00 p.m. tomorrow. that is friday, february 8, so we have them for you as soon as we i want to thank you and your family for being here. i wish you well. thank you and the hearing is adjourned. >> thank you. >> john brennan has the counterterrorism advisory for your years and now nominate background the president to be the c.i.a. director. we're wrapping up four hours of testimony. we're opening up the phone lines to find out about the issues discussed and
respond in detail to what i perceive as a difficult, the evolving situation in north africa, now with tunisia, with libya, with all these countries, and certainly with mali, and how you plan to direct the agency to deal with this devolving momentum that is taking place in northern africa. so that will be for tuesday, and at the request of senator levin, i ask unanimous consent to add into the record a joint statement that he and i may, on april 27, 2012, and, secondly, in order to have mr....